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Poster: matt austin Date: Jun 14, 2010 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

http://www.democracynow.org/
BP has a role in this going back to the beginning of the 20 th century. OK, not sppecific to this, but interesting show nonetheless.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jun 14, 2010 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

Democracy Now is one of the best newshour programs available. Yes, I saw that BP was created by England in the 20th century. BP was built on Iranian oil. During this period, the British Empire was running on Iranian oil. BP, the CIA, and the British Secret Service joined together to overthrow the democratic government in Iran in 1953.

STEPHEN KINZER:: "They [BP] were the ones who discovered that Iran was sitting on an ocean of oil. And then they decided they would take it. Under a corrupt deal that they had struck with a few representatives of the old declining Iranian monarchy, all of whom had been paid off by the company, this concession, which later became known as the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, guaranteed itself, or won the right to own, all of Iran’s oil. So, nobody in Iran had any right to drill for oil or extract oil or sell oil."

"Then, soon after that find was made, the British government decided to buy the company. So the Parliament passed a law and bought 51 percent of that company. And all during the 1920s and 1930s and 1940s, the entire standard of living that people in England enjoyed was supported by oil from Iran. All the trucks and jeeps in Britain were being run on Iranian oil. Factories all over Britain were being funded by oil from Iran. The Royal Navy, which projected British power all over the world, was run 100 percent on oil from Iran. So that became a fundamental foundation of British life."

"And then, after World War II, when the winds of nationalism and anti-colonialism were blowing throughout the developing world, Iranians developed this idea: we’ve got to take our oil back. And that was the general — the kind of national passion that brought to power Mohammad Mosaddegh, who was the most prominent figure in the democratic period of Iran during the late '40s and early ’50s. It was Mosaddegh's desire, supported by a unanimous vote of the democratically elected parliament of Iran, to nationalize what was then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. They carried out the nationalization."

"The British and their partners in the United States fiercely resisted this. And when they were unable to prevent it from happening, they organized the overthrow of Mosaddegh in 1953. So that overthrow not only produced the end of the Mosaddegh government, but the end of democracy in Iran, and that set off all these other following consequences. The Shah ruled for twenty-five years with increasing repression. His rule produced the explosion of the late '70s that produced the Islamic regime. So, it was to protect the interests of the oil company we now know as BP that the CIA and the British Secret Service joined together to overthrow the democratic government in Iran and produce all the consequences we've seen in Iran over the last half-century."


From Democracy Now - June 6, 2010

Johan Galtung's latest book, The Fall of the US Empire–And Then What?: Successors, Regionalization or Globalization? US Fascism or US Blossoming?

JOHAN GALTUNG:: "It’s an empire against a wall; an empire in despair; an empire, I would say, in its last phase. My prediction in the book that is here, that you mentioned, The Fall of the US Empire–And Then What?, is that it cannot last longer than 'til about 2020. In 1980, I predicted for the Soviet empire that it will crack at its weakest point, the wall of Berlin, within ten years, and it happened in November 1989, and the Soviet empire followed. So my prediction is a similar one for the US empire. And that could lead to the blossoming of the US."

"Within ten years — well, the prediction was made in year 2000, and I actually said twenty-five years. But then Bush was elected president, and his narrow vision, his fundamentalism, made me cut it by five years, because I saw him as an accelerator, which he certainly did, launching three wars — war on terrorism, war on Afghanistan and war on Iraq. Now, this comes after the US did not win 1953 in Korea and lost 30 April, 1975 in Vietnam. In other words, we are now in war number five of major significance. That is typical for the decline of the empire that it goes like that. When you ask me why did I have that time horizon, well, I made a comparative study of quite a lot of declines of empires. I'm a little bit of an expert on that, actually. And there are certain factors that are similar. They rise and decline more quickly now. Of course, the two Roman empires, the Western and the Eastern, lasted longer. Now it’s quicker. The US started, I would say, in 1898, walking into the shoes of the dying or dead Spanish empire. And we are now dealing with a phenomenon which is about 110, 112 years old. And as I told you, I put the upper limit at 2020."

"What we see right now is an intensification spreading, special forces increasing, let us say, from thirty to forty-five countries. And that’s exactly what you would expect. It’s an effort to try to externalize, to say that there are enemies abroad that are trying to get at us, instead of saying the obvious, namely that we have made a construction, and that construction is dying itself. If you try to dominate the world economically, militarily, politically and culturally at the same time, and then having these four support each other, it cannot last for a long time. And that’s the phase we are in now. Now, in that period, there will be fascist reactions. It’s not impossible that it could be a military coup in the US from the right, not impossible within this period. But, you see, I am much more optimistic than that: I think that the US is in for a blossoming period. Look at what happened to England when it got rid of its empire from 1965 on. Russia got rid of its empire from 1991. They took some time. There was a bad Yeltsin period. Right now Russia is rising. You see the same in France. You see it in Italy."

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 14, 2010 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

Like father, like son - always found Daddy's time in Persia interesting in light of Junior's efforts over in that region (not weighing in, just find interesting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Schwarzkopf,_Sr.

The same way I find it interesting that pioneering company to get oil in Kuwait was Zapata Petroleum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation

Of course, I'd rather be buying and selling water rights than oil rights in the Middle East these days.

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Jun 14, 2010 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

God protect my grandchildren! This is some scary shit...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 14, 2010 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

IGNORE (THOSE MEN) BEHIND THE CURTAIN.....

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Jun 14, 2010 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scared very undead

What men? What curtain? Now I'm even more scared...